Wednesday, October 24, 2007

Todd Friel Interviews Doug Pagitt of the Emergent Church

Not sure what the Emergent Church is all about? Take a moment and listen to this interview with one of its leading pastors, Doug Pagitt of Solomon's Porch in Minnesota. The audio of this interview has been circulating in blogs recently and I spliced out the interview and put it on youtube. The interview originally aired on The Way of the Master Radio on 10/22/07.



20 comments:

Anonymous said...

If I have to wander about in goat skins and starve half to death to preach out against this heresy I will this is a shame and is perverted enough to make me weep. Please hold fast to the bible. Thank you for exposing this garbage. Greg.

jm.rocks.you said...

Todd made an article about this asking for the feedbacks of the viewers and readers on this issue.

Please do post a reply.

http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/2638/Todd_Friel

Anonymous said...

Paggit is just another in a long list of heretic kooks who have no understanding of the word of God, for they have not the Holy Spirit to open their blind eyes to see, yet they proclaim to be teachers of men. Unfortunately,there are too many in the church today that are not truly born again, and are willing to swallow ANY teaching that comes down the pike. They love to have their itching ears scratched. It is also unfortunate that some seem to be so complacent and gullable, that they may as well wear a sign around their neck saying, "feed me and burp me when it's over". In season and out of season.

Jason L. said...

DP didn't surprise me one bit. One of the Po-motivators posters describes it best:

"If you don't agree with my new point of view, then it's pretty obvious who the divisive one is"

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/posters.htm

Pray for the "sheeple" of these false prophets, that God would deliver them out of those places.

joe said...

todd was demeaning and somewhat arrogant in some of his quick comments. you can talk with and respond to a non-believer, pagan, cultist with courtesy and respect instead.
doug, of course, is not orthodox at all, and has no hermeneutic i can recognize. he is against systematic theology, but puts the passages about judgment all together to find out what is meant by it, so to be able to give an interpretation of a single "judgment" oriented passage. this is nothing more than doing systematic theology!
i hope and pray that this "emergent" movement "submerges".
but, todd, you could have done much better (not necessarily in content) in attitude. it showed.
(i'm not saying i wouldn't have had trouble hiding such an attitude, either).
joe, ohio

Mike Riccardi said...

Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also. -- 2 Tim 3:8-9

Todd, I commend you for how you acted on that interview. I'm amazed that you didn't hang up on him. I thought that I was going to throw my computer across the room listening to some of the things he's talking about.

He sounds like a child caught in a lie. When you ask him very clear, very simple questions, he pauses so he can think his way out of committing to saying anything, and then sends you on a run-around by picking out something you said and jumping through hoola-hoops to get you distracted.

You said it yourself...

In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. And you know the way where I am going. -- John 14:2-4

Of course there are tons of other passages that we could go to that say the exact same thing. But then we're accused of 'stringing texts together.' So much for that whole analogia Scriptura thing. Crazy reformers...

Emergent: Avoiding saying anything since 2005.

Vaughan Smith said...

I think it was funny when he almost claimed Luther, Calvin, Whitfield, Spurgeon and Moody.

Kristine said...

This made me sad.

Anonymous said...

Someone said Todd appeared arrogant and demeaning.... of course, he's a calvinist!

Anonymous said...

Regardless of where you land on any of this, Mr. Friel, whom I do not know, and his inability to have a respectful conversation was enough to make me want to mute his microphone. I stand on the Truth and believe the Bible to be literal but seriously, let someone finish a stinking sentence before heading off for the witch-hunt you were intent on pursuing. Otherwise, interview your pompous self and leave it at that. Mr. Pagitt exhibited more fruit of the Spirit in this interview than the host who instead gave credence to the growing disillusionment with those who call themselves Christians. Something to be said for doves...

D said...

Another case of people trying to claim there is no absolute truth, but the problem is you cannot actually claim that in an absolute sense. The statement self-destructs. They question everything, except their own questions. Truth is relative to them, they have no solid foundation upon which to base their theology, so it all seems like a bunch of uncertain goo. We should all practice tolerance they say, except tolerance of views that disagree with them, particularly evangelical Christianity which claims absolute truth, even if some of it can be disturbing (i.e. concept of hell). They are afraid to draw lines in the sand because they think truth is offensive or presented irrelevantly to most people, but that is not the approach Jesus used. Jesus loved people, and his love was fundamentally intertwined with the truth of his message. Makes sense doesn't it? For Jesus is the embodiment of both truth and love. (1 John 4:8 and John 14:6)

Deanna said...

Todd did a great job in conducting himself. I would have started to scream I think.

The emergent church is a false religion. they don't even believe in a literal heaven or hell.

Anonymous said...

doug pagitt is fulfilling

2 Timothy 4:3-4

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Pastor A-Bomb (Andrew) said...

WoW... way to go Christians!!! Way to love one another as always! Way to show the world that they are right about us. That we are ignorant, prideful, pricks, that fight all day with one another. Good job! Hooray! You did it once more!! The Way of the Master, good job representing Christ and being totally rude about how you debate and how you "talk" theology. Boy you really showed them! I really feel like following and listening to the Way of the Master after your awesome, offensive, and rude interview. Read the Bible, man up, and be a Christian. Not some organiztion starting for attention and picking fights.

Philip@ReformedVoices said...

Pastor A-Bomb (Andrew) said...

"WoW... way to go Christians!!! Way to love one another as always! Way to show the world that they are right about us. That we are ignorant, prideful, pricks, that fight all day with one another."

Who says this is friendly fire? Mr. Pagitt is clearly preaching a different gospel and the flock should be warned of his heretical teachings.

Was Jesus ever rude and offensive when it came to false teaching?

Revelation 2:6
But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Rob Willmann said...

When I originally transcribed the interview, I hosted it on my old website, vibist.com, but I've since moved the content to my new site. You can now find the complete interview at:

http://www.robwillmann.com/blog/2008/07/10/wotm-radio-transcript-todd-friel-interviews-doug-pagitt/

Thanks,

Rob Willmann

tbird9091 said...

Wow listen to the clashing of enormous egos!

Bill said...

Someone posted that reformed theology was Christless - this is one of the forms of theology, or rather, seautōlogy, since it is so self - that is to say, flesh - centered, totally without a clue as to what grace is, who God is, who Christ is, the need for repentance, etc. etc.

I saw a clip of this already, along with many other of the same itching ears group as this.

Love has nothing to do with saying this has nothing to do with Christ - God says that, as many of our brethren have so well commented upon already.

58HUSTLER said...

Someone posted that reformed theology was Christless.

No, obviously not. But I also don't go along with every detail either, and far too many "reformed" have a it's my way or the wrong way attitude. When it comes to the essentials of Christianity, there must be unity. In the non-essentials, there must be liberty, and in all things - love. Todd, Ray, Kirk, praise God for them. But I don't necessarily agree with EVERY aspect of their theology. But the problem with this emergent guy is he's calling what he beleives orthodox Christianity. Obviously, it's something else. I'm not sure what it is, but it certainly isn't Christianity.
To those who found Todd arrogant, I would have had a difficult time with this as well. You simply have to understand, it doesn't matter what you think God is, or what I think He is, what matters is who HE says He is. And that is clearly laid out in scripture, and everything Todd said was correct.

Rob Willmann said...

I have a link above to the original transcript that is old. I've reposted the entire transcript, along with a link to the mp3 of the show, which I've presevered.

In light of the recent "Theology after Google" conference, it's probably a good idea to bump this post so people will see that Doug Pagitt hasn't changed his position at all.

The new link is here:

http://www.vibist.com/2010/03/way-of-the-master-transcript-todd-friel-and-doug-pagitt/

Blessings!

Rob