Tuesday, July 8, 2008

Begg on Hyper-Calvinism

"I listen to some of you guys out there, hyper-reformed boys, you're concerned if you preach the gospel to the wrong person, the wrong person might get saved. So you don't want to preach it too good, 'well wait a minute, I don't think you should've been getting saved, I'm not sure you're in the group.' What do you mean in the group! If you breath you're in the group! If you have ears to hear you're in the group! And if you choose not to respond it's your own fault, not God's."
-Alistair Begg from Monday's Truth For Life broadcast


WatchingHISstory said...

Begg your pardon

Have you ever heard of 'unregenerate Church members'? Do you wonder who preached to them?

Chances are it was not a hyper-Calvinist! It was a 'Biblicist'

Philip@ReformedVoices said...

I think Alistair is talking about a reluctancy to share the gospel with someone because for some reason you think they may not be one of the elect ('in the group').

Robert W said...

I've heard of hyper-calvinists, but don't think I've ever met one and I don't think I've heard one. Or, maybe I'm not discerning enough. Can someone help me out by suggesting a PDF or MP3 of a hyper-calvinist? (Not Fred Phelps; I know about him. Somebody serious.)

I'm a big Begg admirer, but he would be too poite to mention names.

lifecypha said...

Westboro Baptist church, I would consider as close to hyper-calvinist as I know. My pastor recently had an opportunity to witness to some of them and later did an interview. He has these posted on his blog "Delivered By Grace". Interesting stuff to say the least.

YnottonY said...

There are varieties of hyper-Calvinism, but the sort that only limits the gospel offer to "sensible sinners" is very rare today. The sort of hyper-Calvinism that is rampant today teaches that:

1) God in no sense wills the salvation of the non-elect.

2) God in no sense loves the non-elect.

3) God is not in any sense gracious to the non-elect.

4) God is not well-meaning in the gospel offer in the case of the non-elect.

These four things are interrelated and taught by many on the internet. The root problem is doctrine #1.

Perhaps Begg has been exposed to the variety of hyper-Calvinism that limits the offer to sensible sinners (those giving evidence that they are the elect through genuine conviction), but it's virtually non-existent. Therefore, his comment is not going to do much to expose the more common types in the churches today, and thus give a remedy to the more subtle problem.

Bill said...

I'm not even sure what hyper Calvinism is - is it wrong to say that Judas was offered the truth that leads to eternal life by the Author of that eternal life, performed miracles by Him, yet never comprehended that, and was destined for damnation, according to the fulfillment of the Scriptures (John 17:12)?

If this statement of our Lord is true, then did He die for Judas?

Is it wrong to say that Jesus saves His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21), so that it is a work performed by God in Christ that is absolutely effective for those He died for, and that therefore, those who do not come to Him He did not die for, since they are not saved from their sins, and so are not His people?

Did He die for all those who are in hell, and who will be?

At the same time, is not the sight of Christ on the cross - and the empty cross - one that is visible to all who look?

Does it not say it is foolishness to those who are perishing, but the power of God to those who believe, who are given to the Son by the Father?

It seems the offer of the gospel is universal in extent, but has the effect God wills it to have on those who hear it - those He has chosen come, and those He has not chosen are repelled by it.

I read the distinctives of some of hyper-Calvinism on Wiki, and I would have to say that I disagree with some, and agree with others - God is the One who saves, and the message is to be preached as openly to all people that His determined, purposed will be done, as with His Son (Acts 2:23), and we are to preach the message to all the peoples and tribes of the earth, indiscriminately - I definitely disagree with any teaching that states other than the universal preaching of the gospel, based on signs of being elect, since only God knows the heart, and such would place man as the judge of people's hearts.

Dave said...

Just a quick question for all of the non-Calvinist thinkers that may read here. Assuming:

1) God is all knowing and knows who will accept His offer
2) God looks into the future to see who will ask Him into their lives
3) God wills that all should be saved

Why doesn't he play out every scenario possible to save every single person on the planet? Surely there is something that could convince anyone to believe right? Each person should have that one thing that would make them believe.

The same arguments I see people make about Calvinistic thinking fall flat on their faces when put through the same test using an Arminianist view. Clearly there are some that God either allows or wills (depending on your theology) to go to Hell. Why? Because He is eternal, all-knowing, just and that's the way He wants it.