Tuesday, April 14, 2009

Matt Chandler- Song of Solomon Excerpt


Puritan said...

Brother, Is this guy a comedian or a Pastor? How can he compare finding a wife or a husband to going to the fridge?

Philip@ReformedVoices said...

Hi Puritan,
I think you've misunderstood his point... that God's sovereignty isn't an excuse to not take action in pursuing God given desires.

In the same way that you wouldn't sit around waiting for food to appear when you are hungry, a person desiring a spouse does not sit in their living room all day expecting someone to knock on the front door.

Gayla said...

In defense of my pastor...:)

I don't think that was the 'best' excerpt of Matt I've ever seen on a video clip. And I can see where not seeing the whole thing could lead Puritan to his conclusion.

Knowing Matt, and knowing his reformed stance, I know that his point was exactly as you stated it, Philip.

BTW, Philip, thanks for posting all the Jim McClarty teachings. It was here that I first clicked on and listened to his sermon about Christmas being pagan. I've been devouring his teachings ever since. :)

Just returned home Monday from spending the weekend in Smyrna, TN with Jim and the wonderful people of GCA. They are a special congregation.

emce said...

I found it interesting (from talkjesus.com):
Proverbs 18:22 “He who finds a wife finds a good thing, and obtains favor from the Lord.” In the original Hebrew language this scripture depicts a vivid scene. It alludes to a man who is walking toward a specific destination and, along the way, sees a quarter on the side of the road. He picks up the quarter and continues on toward his destination.

He was not looking for the quarter, nor did he have to “try out” the quarter to see if he would keep it. He simply found it along the way and kept it. Courtship is the system where instead of you trying out different partners until you pick one, you allow God to choose for you. Throughout history God has used this system. It only makes sense that the same God who knew you before you were formed in your mothers womb and who sanctified you before you were born (Jeremiah 1:5) would already have chosen who your spouse would be. If God has already chosen a spouse for you, why would He have you “try out” or “date” different partners? He wouldn’t.

Philip@ReformedVoices said...

Hi Emce,

Good thoughts and I agree with you. I do not think the original post was promoting traditional 'dating' though.

Simply Seth said...

Is this message available anywhere in its entirety ?
Grace and Peace.

RV said...

Though I don't know Hebrew at all well the original word is the same word used in Song of Solomon to denote the end of a diligent search, not a stumbling upon something:

Scarcely had I passed them when I found him whom my soul loves. I held him, and would not let him go until I had brought him into my mother's house, and into the chamber of her who conceived me.
(SOS 3:4 ESV)

But even if I am wrong on the structure of the Hebrew there's nothing to suggest at all in the Bible that 'the one' exists out there somewhere that God will tell you before hand to marry. There is no instance, in my memory, of a person being told who before hand to marry. Hosea married Gomer but he was not told by God her name, only that he should marry a woman of harlotry. Rebekah became Issac's wife through Abraham's servant, not because it was told to him before hand to choose someone called Rebekah but because of circumstances the Lord providentially arranged (Genesis 24). Indeed 1 Corinthians 7:39 indicates freedom in choice of marriage partners (though in the context this relates to widows, there's nothing precluding the principle from applying to singles). There's no indication God is going to tell you who to marry and indeed, no sure way of knowing that even if you do marry someone you hear a voice telling you to marry, that it was God telling you to in the first place. The concept of 'the one' is a misnomer. There is 'the one' for me, and the one for me is the Christian I end up marrying.

Nina said...

yes! I've been searching for almost an hour and I've come up with nothing... is there a link to the entire sermon? it seems great!!